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hello everybody it is

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wednesday

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update uh we have a really special day

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for you today um we have the experiencer

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we have

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uh kirsten j stewart the whole gang is

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here so we're gonna talk to them and get

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you know um

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their mission out their story what you

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know what

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motivates them all that sort of thing i

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think a lot of times the experience

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aspect of this

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you know just pushed in the corner and

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brushed aside and

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um i don't know that that's necessarily

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the right thing to do because oftentimes

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you know that's

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the most emotional uh human part of all

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this

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um it's not just you know nuts and bolts

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and things flying around ships it's

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um

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phenomenon that affect people's lives uh

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like my own so i am really happy to host

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this and to talk to them and get to know

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them

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um and

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i'm happy i get to do it with you guys

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so in a second i will bring them on but

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all right so here we go uh

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the first person we're gonna bring in

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i call the sexiest experiencer in all of

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america

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mr jay christopher king how are you

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oh my gosh

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that was a monkey wrench in the gears

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sean but i'll take it gosh i'll take it

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from you anyway that's really exciting

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all right fair enough

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thanks thanks for having me back i

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really appreciate it i just like to

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throw you up for a little bit you know

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long time no see it's our second date so

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i got flowers there right over there

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uh yes yes yes

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you know my wife may watch so all right

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all right

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next up we have the wonderful the

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beautiful kirsten blackburn how are you

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i'm really well thank you sean thank you

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for throwing my partner off that was

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lovely

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i have to try you know

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and then at last but not least

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stewart

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alien's an artist what's up brother how

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are you good to make your acquaintance

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sir

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yeah you as well

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thank you so much for uh doing this on

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the show and taking the time to chat

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with me that means a lot because i know

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you guys probably get opportunities um

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left and right so you didn't have to do

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this one but i appreciate it so

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um thank you very much just wanted to

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say that

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oh hey we're really happy to be here you

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do a great show we love you

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yeah thank you thank you for having us

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yeah it's but it's uh more than my

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pleasure most definitely i'm thankful

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joe also ufo joe introduced me to you

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guys so

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he's a good dude so i guess

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how it you came to be how did you three

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come together

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um and develop this vision to have this

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experiences group

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um and like yeah let's just start there

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whoever wants to go that's a great

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question kirsten do you want to start

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with the old days back with richard and

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sure yeah

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i was uh working with richard dolan and

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his lovely wife tracy um

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on their website called richard dolan

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members and um

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i was basically uh what they call a host

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which is someone who basically lets in

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new members and helps them out and stuff

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and then that job sort of morphed into

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being um somewhat of their assistant

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brilliant idea of having um hey julie um

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in person so

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we organized this and i just want to do

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a quick little shout out to

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those folks who are in that meet up in

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person um that's sarah and alex and evan

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where we'd meet in these uh cute little

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have diner coffee diner pie diner beer

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hanging out together and talking

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ufology and everything that surrounds

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ufology and the anomalies

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so that's yeah and so like a half dozen

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richard dolan members

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midtown manhattan and this is just a few

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months before the pandemic started

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and uh so yeah pre-pandemic we're all

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kind of like elbow to elbow with coffee

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in the pie as kristen was saying

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and i can't remember i think it was

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kirsten i think you asked the question

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for us to go around the table and say

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how we got into ufology like what like

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how we got into looking at the field

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so i'm just thinking to myself

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so i'm i'm just thinking to myself like

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do i tell the truth that i'm an

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experiencer that i've interacted

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with some of these non-human entities

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question like going around this table

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i'm like really feeling the heat you

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know i i realize i'm last my hands are

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shaking under the table i'm thinking i

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don't want to lie about this

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these people and i'm thinking myself i'm

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i've generally had this stuff bottled up

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since i was a kid it's not a super

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anxiety-fueled experiment

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salad about how i'd had experiences

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everything i could so i could understand

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what the hell was going on with my life

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and it really worked out like kirsten

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was super supportive every the other

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people there were very very supportive

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people got it or at the very least they

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were very kind about it which made a

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huge impact and it made a huge

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so that experience i felt i felt like it

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really bonded kirsten and i like it was

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the very first time that chris and i saw

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each other face to face

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that's the first time you saw each other

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dolan's site because um you know we had

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this great connection so they did

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the members on the site so we did what

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we called a worldwide meetup and that

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researchers like richard get

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tons and tons of

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emails and um when they're at a

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sure we we um i mean we

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stuart come in oh yeah he's coming he's

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i'm impatient he's coming

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he's swinging his back he's ready to go

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um fair enough so yeah so so richard and

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tracy were thinking like what do we do

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about the experiencers like how can we

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doing some meetups just for experiencers

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experiencers near-death experiencers the

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people in ufology don't realize is that

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a lot of experiencers

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topic to bring up and it's more coming

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that if you experience one modality

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people we recognize that

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two groups because we realized that

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there was a lot of need

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one of them was mainly people that

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had um non-human entity encounters like

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abductees and things like that

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those needs the needs for those people

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we recognized immediately that we didn't

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want to there to be

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um

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that it could be

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no pun intended but alienating to have

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everybody together considering that the

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very specific needs of the kind of

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ontological shock and trauma that can

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happen for abductees and other people

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like that

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so we did two groups immediately and

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i you know

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according to

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myself

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and most and folks involved like i it

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it just there was so much energy right

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at the outset right at the outside there

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is so much energy and stewart

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who i'd love to bring in

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was right there in the very first

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meeting of of non-human entities like

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our original group 2 meeting

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um

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stewart would you like to say anything

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well i

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i

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up

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the emotional component to people coming

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forward and

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speaking maybe that was behind the

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curtain before we came live on the show

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but you mentioned the emotion and i

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think that that's such a central aspect

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to

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what an experience or his process is

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first in admitting to themselves what

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may have transpired

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and

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further going

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as jay related so beautifully in his

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account of sharing for the first time

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with anyone what it is to say it out

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loud is

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such an impactful moment and when these

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initial meetup groups were happening

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with richard dolan i think that one of

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the kinetic

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emergence and those groups is that you

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get to see and feel

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the empathetic resonance with these

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other human beings

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it happens on zoom it happens in real

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time and you can feel like oh my gosh

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someone really

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is feeling me is getting this and they

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know

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of what i speak perhaps not in the

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duplicate identical form but

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everyone's been there in some form or

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another so

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when i came to those initial meetups it

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seemed to be

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closing a loop on a question that had

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been open in my life for decades because

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for me this goes back to

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you know decades back john mack knowing

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the experiencers he introduced me to

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becoming one myself later on in life and

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i think that jane kirsten and i just

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kind of looked at each other and thought

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right away wow why isn't this

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totally a thing all over the planet why

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isn't this more

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centrally organized or located like a

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a haven you can walk into easily and

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know you're among

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friends and you're safe and it's

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discreet so that's how i entered into

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the picture i fell in love right away i

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mean you're right you take one look at

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jay and then you take a look at kirsten

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and you just drape your arms around the

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two of them and you let them carry you

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forward into the night

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that's kind of what happened spiritually

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well so far i mean i've picked up on

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some really really great things um the

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first one

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jay you talked about having

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you know kind of almost different

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sections of this where one that

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has seen

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uh beings or entities um and right away

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i thought that's awesome because if you

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know if i was involved in this i

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wouldn't feel

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a part of that because i haven't really

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you know like my experience was more

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like dream relating consciousness and

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seeing things around it and

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you know it'd be hard to

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relate or express yourself and then stew

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the emotional aspect of this and

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mentioning it sorry i call you stu i

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know a couple of students i'll call you

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stuart

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you can say steal it's fine okay all

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you can call me scene that's fine

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but yeah the emotional aspect of it um

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the first time that um i said it out

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loud was on this very

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this very uh cast and it was so

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like kind of emotional i wound up having

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a i just took it down

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um and then debated with putting it back

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up and then going back and forth and

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um it's just a hard thing to accept you

402
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know at this point i'm fully

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accepting of it but it wasn't easy so i

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appreciate you guys you know hitting

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home on those points because i think

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it's important so

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i didn't mean to interrupt stuart but um

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if somebody wants to pick it up and go

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from there um i guess

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yeah i guess my next question would be

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um

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how soon did you know that you were

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really on to something and wanted to

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see it blossom even more

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well

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it was such like a really specific

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period of time you know we're talking

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about the early pandemic right

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and yeah right and of course which we're

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still kind of in feeling the effects of

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that right and i would say

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and when we started doing these meetings

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pretty much everyone was in a lockdown

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or kind of work from home situation

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still

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and people needed to talk they needed to

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meet people

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just and we all remember how that was

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right

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and i think that the stress of people

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the stress of the future and the

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unknowingness of what we were getting

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ourselves into back then mixed with the

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stress for experiencers of keeping these

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encounters these these situations secret

436
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you know there was an internal and an

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external pressure

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that i think pretty much everyone was

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feeling in their own unique ways back

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then

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and probably so are

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but i think

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that there was an a unique color to that

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for experiencers

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in our situation that

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really brought a spotlight to

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something that needed to happen

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you know these sessions would go all

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over the place long sprawling

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amazing discussions some of them would

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as kirsten was saying they would run

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five hours sometimes longer sometimes

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six hours and of course that was

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something that before the pandemic or

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maybe even now where we are right now it

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wouldn't be really able to happen but

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right then that kind of

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that that there was there was an opening

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there

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that felt

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needed and necessary

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um

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and

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uh we were dealing with some like really

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tough cases we were dealing with some

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really amazing you know some people

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that it's just all like cosmic high

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fives right like

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a hundred percent of the time you know

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that it just it just feels like

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everything is it's smooth sailing and

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then there are some tough cases you know

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people that

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couldn't get rid of like poltergeist

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type energy

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yeah stuff like that people that had

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really deep

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trauma from abduction encounters

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and stuart has a private practice doing

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and was a

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vitally important person in those early

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private meetup sessions

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so chris and i were like let's get

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stuart on a call

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and pick his brain

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about what we can do

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to help out with these tough cases

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where it seems like

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it needs to go further

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if there's a way we can point point to

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resources

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that's great you didn't just throw in

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the towel because a lot of people would

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have at that point

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and said that's a little too much for me

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you know

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yeah and i think that that's that's

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where it's been for a lot of people for

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years for maybe decades

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and researchers themselves ufologist

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researchers are often in that boat too

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because

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frankly a lot of them are they're okay

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with the history they're okay with

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document finding they're okay with

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trying to pull things together but some

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of them don't necessarily have the

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emotional toolbox to deal with these

509
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kinds of cases

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you know it's a very specific skill set

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and

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stewart was at the top of the list

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and so

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uh we organized this uh we just had the

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zoom call

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and

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it became like a really kind of pivotal

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moment i guess i don't know if kirsten

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or stewart would like to comment on that

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but how that went

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i we did we

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we were going back and forth together on

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this with this particular problem um

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and and stuart definitely was on the top

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of the list and when we got on on the

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calls with him i think there were more

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than one but one in particular where we

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just kind of felt like

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um okay maybe this needs to be its own

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thing and maybe something maybe we can

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work with this and expand it if we do

532
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this

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for experiencers specifically um

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and that was sort of this moment i think

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we can

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all agree was this kind of aha moment

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of inspiration

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um where

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we felt like this little baby was being

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birthed and

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and then everything started to fall into

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place i think i

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really did it really did and stuart i'd

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love to get your thoughts on this too

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yeah i completely concur

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i think that it was

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an exercise of the three of us really

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just listening

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almost

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in a

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day-to-day

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a few weeks probably we spent

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in a meditative kind of listening and

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feeling

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about what is it that really would help

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experiences where are

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the

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voids and craters

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and

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if they were to

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assemble a menu of helpful items

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and presents to us how could we respond

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then by

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putting together a place in a community

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that expressly from day one

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had those pieces

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in play so

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that's what we felt inspired to do

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immediately this is really one of those

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situations and sean i'm sure you can

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relate to it it's like oftentimes we

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build the things that we wish deeply to

573
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,919
exist in the world right we we make the

574
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:13,840
arts or we build the community that we

575
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,720
need

576
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,320
i i can't speak

577
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,919
kirsten beyond the fact that i do think

578
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:19,200
all three of us

579
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,240
were

580
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,400
deeply desirous of

581
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:24,000
this kind of community this kind of

582
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,200
connection

583
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,320
some of it being really simple no trolls

584
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:30,159
no mean-spiritedness

585
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,280
none of that

586
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,440
chicanery underhandedness

587
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,960
you don't have to agree with everyone at

588
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,880
all but there's no

589
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:38,799
assassination and attacking

590
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,080
and the spirit of it you know love is in

591
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,240
our mission statement for the

592
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,840
experiencer group

593
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,440
i think all three of us

594
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,000
feel as committed and exuberant about

595
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,159
that as we did day one

596
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,799
so really yeah building the experience

597
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,559
of group community was just listening

598
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,559
what our experience are saying what do

599
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,600
they wish

600
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,880
was there that isn't and how can we help

601
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,320
formulate that

602
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,760
and you're right like like you had

603
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,039
touched on there once you start doing

604
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:09,120
that you follow that passion and your

605
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,320
soul's

606
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,080
an integer in the equation if not the

607
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:14,159
whole equation itself

608
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,679
the response from the universe from your

609
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:19,360
local neighborhood

610
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,830
i can say in all my

611
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,600
years playing music writing music

612
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:30,720
recording performing all of that um i

613
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:34,159
have never had as much positive feedback

614
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,200
as i

615
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,120
have doing this

616
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,280
you know it's it's

617
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:40,960
and i wouldn't be here without

618
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,919
coronavirus i literally had a brand new

619
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,080
record that i pressed for the very first

620
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,400
time never done that before and had a

621
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,240
show and everything and i was going and

622
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:52,960
rehearsing and so ready and it was in

623
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,159
april of 2020 was was the show

624
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,360
and in march everything shut down

625
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,760
and i couldn't do it and i was just like

626
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,520
freaking

627
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,840
it you know and then everyone's playing

628
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,679
music and streaming and everything in

629
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,200
their shows and i was like that's not

630
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,360
what i want to do you know i want to

631
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:13,279
connect with people and that's why i

632
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,840
perform and so i was

633
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:19,840
um you know

634
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,000
i don't know i was just trying to find

635
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,600
myself i guess and

636
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:26,480
and something found me it seems like so

637
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,679
um here i am but yeah you know it's it's

638
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,600
nice to hear that

639
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:33,919
you know agree agreeable

640
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,640
things uh with you guys for sure and uh

641
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,320
you don't have to agree with everyone

642
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:40,000
either at that aspect that you mentioned

643
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,760
that's huge like one of my big things is

644
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,200
you don't have to agree with them you

645
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,840
don't even have to believe them to just

646
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:50,320
show love and be polite and respectful

647
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,279
you know

648
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:52,880
there's no reason

649
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,799
um to to you know show hatred or or

650
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,880
meanness or crudeness

651
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:01,600
to people that are are not hurting you

652
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,559
at all

653
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,880
you know there's just no reason

654
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,880
um so i love everything you guys are

655
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,679
doing and saying so yeah

656
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,960
um

657
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,640
tell me about

658
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,559
if you don't mind

659
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,149
now when you guys started with um miss

660
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,159
leslie keenan ralph blumenthal tell me

661
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,480
about that part of it

662
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,960
okay sure

663
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,400
you don't um

664
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:30,720
it'd be i'd be curious to hear kristen

665
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:33,440
stewart's take on this as well but

666
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,159
along with what stewart was just saying

667
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:38,960
just in setting things up just setting

668
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:41,919
these parameters up setting the site up

669
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,960
um that happened over january and we

670
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:47,440
opened the doors privately to

671
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:48,240
uh

672
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:52,159
a beta group of people a group of people

673
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,760
we invited it was only maybe 100 people

674
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,120
at most

675
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:58,720
of which

676
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,080
about 60 or 70 participated in that very

677
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:04,080
first month or something like that

678
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,200
um but

679
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,880
even within those first couple months

680
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:08,640
there was

681
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,159
and i don't mean to sound

682
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:16,720
big here but there's a lot of like

683
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,159
intellectual firepower coming in hot

684
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,679
right at the outset

685
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,000
it felt like and we don't we don't

686
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,400
mention a lot of names in terms of and

687
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,720
we have a policy where we don't out our

688
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,840
members

689
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,520
um sure

690
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:33,120
to the largest it should be up to them

691
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:34,480
definitely

692
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,440
100

693
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,080
and and so along with that we have very

694
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,120
strict privacy standards so we don't

695
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,960
there's only so much we can say about

696
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:44,640
that in a way but

697
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:48,080
but suffice to say that other people

698
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,120
that are

699
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,600
significant in this community that other

700
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,760
people might know

701
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,480
resonated with the idea that that this

702
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,960
was something that was deeply needed for

703
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:00,159
a very

704
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,679
very long time

705
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,440
there's been other there's been other

706
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,880
groups of course

707
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,200
that have met in real life and even

708
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,080
online and things like that but

709
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,720
for me personally as an abductee and

710
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,159
experiencer

711
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,240
where did i go when i was in my 20s in

712
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,399
the aunts right where i looked at places

713
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,640
like above top secret i looked at places

714
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,559
like project avalon

715
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,960
and and things like that and

716
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,760
and

717
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:28,000
um there could be good discussions there

718
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,240
but the as we all know these topics

719
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,039
ufology in general and especially

720
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,360
anything that involves somebody having

721
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,080
an actual experience for whatever reason

722
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:43,279
it can become a toxic conversation

723
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:44,480
so fast

724
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,880
and and so we recognized that

725
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:51,039
like there needed to be a place and

726
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,399
other people

727
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,240
um that that

728
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:55,919
are much more

729
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,120
decorated than me

730
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,440
um felt the same way i guess

731
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:03,360
and so we had a lot of special guests

732
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,279
and and early important members and

733
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,919
leslie kane was one of those people and

734
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,279
um

735
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,799
and she

736
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,360
um she attended some really key early

737
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,559
meetups

738
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:17,679
and

739
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,840
i think may have contributed to the

740
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,600
relationship with ralph

741
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,080
i don't know if uh stuart or kirsten

742
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,840
would like to speak on that but

743
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,080
leslie was also a guest on stewart's

744
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,000
wonderful podcast aliens and artists

745
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,480
yeah i heard that right around then

746
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:35,919
she's my favorite

747
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,720
for sure she's she's great

748
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,080
i've never met her but just like

749
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:41,760
listening to her reader own books and

750
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,260
that podcast like i love this girl

751
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,320
[Laughter]

752
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,320
she's amazing

753
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:51,520
uh and she's such a she's like a bright

754
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:57,190
she's such like

755
00:29:11,510 --> 00:28:58,080
an

756
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,520
about

757
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:14,159
how to present things in a way

758
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,520
that

759
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,279
really reaches people

760
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:19,520
and i think that that's incredibly

761
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:20,559
important

762
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,750
and we recognize the challenges there i

763
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,520
think kirsten and stewart recognize as

764
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,200
well that that

765
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,399
this there's a lot of rough edges to

766
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,520
experience her life there's a lot of

767
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,279
things that are difficult for people to

768
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,799
wrap their heads around

769
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,640
there's a lot that

770
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:42,000
that

771
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,279
there's a lot of

772
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,880
of

773
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,760
experiential hurdles

774
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,039
in terms of

775
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,000
what is my life like versus what is this

776
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:53,679
person's life like

777
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:54,559
that

778
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,880
feels like it exists sometimes between

779
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:03,120
consensus reality and experience your

780
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,080
life

781
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,120
it feels like a lot of us have

782
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:09,679
feet in two different worlds right

783
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,080
and oh my god and

784
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,279
leslie does a great job of articulating

785
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,120
this kind of middle space

786
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:18,960
where you can have legs

787
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,520
and a body on top of those two different

788
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:22,799
worlds

789
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,840
um

790
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,840
yeah uh yeah

791
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,080
and i think like

792
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:30,640
empathy is is huge especially for the

793
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,640
people who haven't had experiences hey

794
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,600
you should not feel like left out

795
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,600
or not a part of anything because you

796
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,080
didn't have an experience or you're not

797
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,240
this person or that person because you

798
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,200
didn't like that means nothing you know

799
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,600
you are a human being and you have a

800
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,520
beautiful soul that you can take

801
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,240
advantage of just like the experiencers

802
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,399
and people have had experiences or

803
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:58,159
experiences um

804
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,880
but

805
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,679
uh one thing if you haven't and you may

806
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,559
feel weird about it when you listen

807
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,159
i would you know and i'm talking to

808
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:08,080
those people i guess but

809
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:08,960
um

810
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:11,440
realize that at least for people like me

811
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:12,320
um

812
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,559
thinking about it

813
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,240
you know and every day it's something

814
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,039
that i'm not sure i'll figure out

815
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,440
you know so i have to live with that and

816
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:25,279
i wouldn't

817
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:26,080
i

818
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,640
anyone else you know

819
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:32,320
so

820
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,440
headsets

821
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:35,519
it's a difficult thing there's there's

822
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,640
there's

823
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,399
it seems like this is

824
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,399
having these conversations needs to

825
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,519
happen not just top down not just

826
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,919
as we're kind of trained to do since the

827
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,679
project blue book phase where it's like

828
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,519
we need to wait for the newspapers to

829
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,360
tell us whether it's okay to believe in

830
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,559
things

831
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,960
yeah there's there's an organic level

832
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,440
where this can grow up right and that

833
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,200
organic level

834
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:01,039
partially depends on

835
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,480
us

836
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:05,279
realizing that our loved ones have tried

837
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,000
to

838
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,039
have sometimes tried or resisted

839
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,039
to speak about these things

840
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,720
for decades

841
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,919
there's there's almost always somebody

842
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,519
in each family

843
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,240
that depending on whether they're a

844
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,799
revered grandmother or a black sheep

845
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:24,399
stepbrother

846
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:25,279
they

847
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,720
the rest of the family on how these

848
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,640
stories are sometimes heard and there's

849
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,240
probably many other parameters that i'm

850
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,480
not speaking of right now but

851
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,720
there's a if we can come as you were

852
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,480
saying before as if we can come at this

853
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,240
from a position of respect and that's

854
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,440
great but what we did from the outset

855
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,000
what we realized that we needed to have

856
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,600
a protected

857
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:51,760
private environment

858
00:33:03,590 --> 00:32:52,480
to

859
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,600
conversations in private that were kind

860
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,880
of like

861
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,440
that situation with me and kirsten in

862
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:08,960
the diner

863
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,000
where it's just where it's just

864
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,080
this thing building up and you know that

865
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,240
it's not you know that it's not healthy

866
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,840
to bottle up that kind of energy it

867
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,760
literally makes people sick

868
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,919
yeah literally i think

869
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,880
it makes people sick to have that that

870
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:27,679
kind of secret hidden for years and

871
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,880
years and years

872
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,279
so um i'd love to hear what kirsten and

873
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,279
stewart have to say about

874
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,039
what we were trying to build with the

875
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:37,440
site and with the community and anything

876
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,399
like that

877
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:41,360
uh so i will pass the baton to whoever

878
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,990
uh stuart do you want to go are you

879
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,600
shelly

880
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:51,120
go ahead okay

881
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,799
okay um yeah i mean everything's jay

882
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,840
just said and and um you know another

883
00:34:03,830 --> 00:33:59,840
word that came up while we were

884
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,840
uh setting the site up is sanctuary

885
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,279
um

886
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,360
and that's basically the same thing as

887
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:08,800
sitting in a diner

888
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,000
cozy um together and just feeling safe

889
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,079
and knowing that the person isn't gonna

890
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,679
glaze over

891
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,480
they're not gonna change the subject

892
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,639
they're not to walk away

893
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,599
which

894
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,240
so many experiencers um

895
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,240
talk about you know being in a social

896
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,440
setting and having this need to um

897
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,760
to tell their story to someone

898
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:34,480
and that person like literally either

899
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:37,839
not hearing them which is always bizarre

900
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,079
walking away like it's it's a strange

901
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,159
barrier between

902
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,879
um people who are in need of telling

903
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,440
their stories and people who are not

904
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:51,599
ready to hear their stories

905
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,200
but one of the things too that we all

906
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:57,040
often laugh about

907
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,109
people who don't think they've had

908
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,640
experiences

909
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,480
very often say

910
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,240
well there was this one thing that

911
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,440
happened

912
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,800
yeah and

913
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,800
and then they tell this

914
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,800
i mean i'm kind of i'm kind of telling

915
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,560
one of stewart's stories i'm

916
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,079
paraphrasing one of stewart's stories so

917
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,520
i have to give him credit but but

918
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,920
usually they come up with this like

919
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,760
bizarre

920
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:26,079
anomalous weird

921
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,800
like

922
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:28,240
that they've explained away with ball

923
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,839
lightning or something like him how to

924
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,280
be balling

925
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:33,040
so so

926
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:34,079
this

927
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,359
we in in creating a sanctuary it's like

928
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,440
everybody's there by choice everybody

929
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:41,520
knows they're safe

930
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:42,560
and

931
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,640
what interestingly enough

932
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,760
um

933
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,680
in doing this work

934
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,200
some people have expressed to me that

935
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,520
it's changed how they approach the rest

936
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,880
of their life

937
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:56,960
they are better able to straddle these

938
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,920
two worlds and actually

939
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,400
give them a sort of springboard

940
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:04,400
towards what they really want to do with

941
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,839
their lives

942
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:07,119
now this is

943
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,480
keeping in mind that a lot of

944
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:10,160
experiencers feel that they actually

945
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,440
have a mission

946
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:13,280
um that's one thing but then there's

947
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,880
also we all want to have a life that is

948
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,960
you know it's self-realization it's what

949
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,960
we want to do it's following our bliss

950
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:23,119
etc however you want to put it but

951
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,119
someone told me that just today that

952
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,280
that this group has actually given them

953
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,119
a springboard to make decisions that

954
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,680
feel better for themselves

955
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:33,040
um

956
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,920
yeah and then

957
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,160
there's also

958
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,599
when you start talking about your

959
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,520
experiences in a safe environment

960
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,880
sometimes you find out things from

961
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,320
people like we just recently found out

962
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:48,800
my husband and i found out that his aunt

963
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,079
mimi who lives on long island and is 90

964
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,880
years old has had a whole host of

965
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,640
experiences in her life

966
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,680
and

967
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,280
never really talked about them to the

968
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:01,200
family so that kind of stuff comes up

969
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,349
it's stuart you have anything to add

970
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,800
yeah

971
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,280
we'll do the other

972
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,320
sure we can brady bunch this thing

973
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,400
until the mutilated cows come home

974
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,760
um

975
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,760
the

976
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,680
component that arises from me and listen

977
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:24,240
to jane kirsten share which i i confirm

978
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,440
and

979
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,520
share everything that they have touched

980
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:28,800
on so far

981
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:33,760
and it reminds me of the tempo and

982
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:37,119
measure that is such a key

983
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,880
part of how experiencers choose to tell

984
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,040
their story their experiences and what

985
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,520
we very often find i wouldn't quite say

986
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:48,160
that it's universal but it's very common

987
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,359
is that

988
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,119
first people

989
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,760
show up and a lot of this goes for the

990
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,440
experience or group our community but i

991
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,040
think more broadly

992
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,800
across continents cultures and

993
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,440
demographics in general so people

994
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,960
will show up to an environment and

995
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,640
they'll hang out for a long time they'll

996
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,079
see if it's safe

997
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,320
they'll watch how people behave over

998
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,800
time in different situations and after

999
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,560
there's been enough checking

1000
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,160
and this could be one person with

1001
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:16,320
another just two people it could be a

1002
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,599
meetup group

1003
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,119
so then they'll watch and wait for a

1004
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,400
long time and then they'll try a little

1005
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,880
experimental offering see how that's

1006
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:27,520
received the process in which someone

1007
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,680
may eventually arrive at disclosing

1008
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,960
the

1009
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,640
deep hidden heart

1010
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,960
of the most meaningful

1011
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,359
ontologically shocking life-changing

1012
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:41,359
components of their experiences

1013
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,320
that could be years or decades or

1014
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:46,960
generations i mean it really

1015
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,240
can be anything and we see this

1016
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,560
over and over again i've lived it myself

1017
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:55,040
you know it took me eight years to say

1018
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,240
out loud

1019
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,240
my experience and

1020
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:00,800
i don't even have a face or a reputation

1021
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,160
to protect you know i always say like

1022
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,640
isn't that how we just uh treat life in

1023
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,040
general too but this is just such such a

1024
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,880
more impactful

1025
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,960
thing to do even like if you're new in

1026
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,640
the workplace you're

1027
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,920
you know and you haven't had an

1028
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,240
experience or anything you you're quiet

1029
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,160
and you test the boundaries little by

1030
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,079
little see if your sense of humor works

1031
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,240
with this person or by saying a little

1032
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:26,560
joke there or whatever but this is just

1033
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,280
on such a larger uh scale so

1034
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,520
you know at least for me i'm a lot more

1035
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:35,520
careful you know and

1036
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,320
and

1037
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,680
you know tentative

1038
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,160
to testing that stuff but you know to be

1039
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,720
honest there's no one i can talk to in

1040
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,359
real life about this i'm in milwaukee

1041
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,000
you know and i don't know anybody um so

1042
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,520
this is i can introduce you to people in

1043
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:51,119
milwaukee that you can talk to though

1044
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,000
sean

1045
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:54,000
well there we go

1046
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,119
they're probably right at the street

1047
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,200
from you i mean not literally

1048
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,280
right but yeah point

1049
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:01,440
so importantly

1050
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,880
highlighted there

1051
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,760
that

1052
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,280
to the experiencer group and what we

1053
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,040
were trying to build and what we

1054
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,760
continue to try to improve is

1055
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,520
what are the parts of that dynamic that

1056
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:13,280
you just shared that we could have an

1057
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,240
impact on how could we make it safer

1058
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,440
sooner

1059
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,200
for people what

1060
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,400
could be

1061
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,720
a way to configure a community in which

1062
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,800
we could half the time

1063
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,599
that someone has to spend

1064
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,400
confirming reconfirming checking that

1065
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,920
it's safe and that it's okay what if you

1066
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,520
knew you're not going to lose your job

1067
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,000
what if you knew your family isn't going

1068
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,760
to hear you're not gonna ruin

1069
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,599
thanksgiving dinner you might not lose

1070
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,440
this friendship like could there be an

1071
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,200
environment in which those things were

1072
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,119
not the kind of questions an experience

1073
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:48,240
or had to ask in deciding should i tell

1074
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:50,839
should i share what happened to me

1075
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,960
right i think that's beautiful

1076
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:56,560
you guys keep rolling you're doing good

1077
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,880
i'm just gonna listen

1078
00:41:03,829 --> 00:40:59,680
[Laughter]

1079
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,839
100 i mean i i you know along with what

1080
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,359
stewart's i

1081
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:07,920
i often have a difficult job following

1082
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,920
up stewart and i have to do it a lot uh

1083
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:13,760
everyone has a difficult time following

1084
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,640
stuart it's it's challenging but is he

1085
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:17,920
that fast

1086
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,440
so i'm not going he really is so i'm i'm

1087
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,160
i'm not gonna use myself but uh there's

1088
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:27,280
i'll just graft in some joseph campbell

1089
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,400
um

1090
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,960
along those lines uh joseph campbell had

1091
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,720
this quote he said i don't think what

1092
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,040
we're looking for is a meaning of life

1093
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,599
what we're looking for is an experience

1094
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:39,760
of being alive

1095
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,400
so that the experiences that we have on

1096
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,400
the physical plane

1097
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,520
will have resonances within

1098
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,680
yeah right and i think there's so much

1099
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,680
truth i think there's so much truth to

1100
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,520
that and it might even be like a more

1101
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,160
utilitarian way of going about looking

1102
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,079
at these big questions

1103
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,240
but along those lines what gets explored

1104
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,240
over and over at the experiencer group

1105
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,000
is these resonances

1106
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,119
resonances of the experiences themselves

1107
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,079
resonances between experiencers

1108
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,560
resonances with other people's

1109
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:14,000
experiences

1110
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:14,800
and

1111
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,000
kirsten had a had a great situation of

1112
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:20,319
that relatively recently with

1113
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,200
um

1114
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,280
finding somebody else in our group that

1115
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:25,920
had a similar experience if not the same

1116
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,440
experience um back in the 70s

1117
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,520
wow

1118
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,200
do you want me to take it from here jay

1119
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,560
yeah please

1120
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,319
so this is i love this i mean it's a

1121
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,839
delicious story for me especially

1122
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,000
because it was my own experience um but

1123
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,599
this was one of those golden moments

1124
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,520
where it's like oh this is really

1125
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:44,640
working

1126
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,440
um

1127
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:48,079
i had an angel hair experience in

1128
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,079
probably between 1973 and 1975

1129
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,040
their ish when i was a child that i was

1130
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,400
a child in the 70s uh in the bay area

1131
00:43:02,790 --> 00:42:59,440
and

1132
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,800
angel hair is uh this gelatinous

1133
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,760
substance that um

1134
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,680
falls from the sky

1135
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,480
and was mostly documented between the

1136
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,680
50s and the 70s and it often would fall

1137
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,119
from the sky

1138
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,040
after a ufo sighting

1139
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,760
and it would dissolve when touched

1140
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,720
um

1141
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,920
and

1142
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,400
there's dig into the angel hair thing

1143
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,400
it's very interesting so this happened

1144
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,079
to me i was a little kid and it happened

1145
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,640
to me and they were they the teachers

1146
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:32,079
tried to explain it away by saying

1147
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,240
spider webs but spider webs don't

1148
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,400
dissolve in your fingertips right

1149
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,800
so i was talking about this uh in a

1150
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,760
meeting and uh i have permission to talk

1151
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:43,680
about this from the other member and

1152
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,040
i've spoken about it publicly um

1153
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:49,920
she said oh this happened to me too and

1154
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,359
i was in california and i tasted it

1155
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,599
because she was a kid

1156
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,480
and her brother you know

1157
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,440
dared her to taste it and she tasted it

1158
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,640
so

1159
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,400
we were like oh okay this thing happened

1160
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,240
in california then she digs in and she

1161
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,800
starts asking her family more about it

1162
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,720
and she finds out not only did it happen

1163
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,040
in california around the same time it

1164
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,040
probably happened in the same year and

1165
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,000
it was in exactly the same city probably

1166
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,480
just about a mile and a half away

1167
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,800
wow and since then we've also and she

1168
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,440
was on vacation in palo alto which is

1169
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,760
exactly where it happened um

1170
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:28,960
so

1171
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,119
that sent me a note on instagram saying

1172
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,800
i was in san jose and this happened as

1173
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,319
well and i haven't been able to have any

1174
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,839
further conversations with that person i

1175
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:39,440
want that person to come and talk to me

1176
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:42,880
some more but this was the cool ass

1177
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,760
thing is that you connect the dots

1178
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,880
together

1179
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,280
not only are we talking about sort of

1180
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,480
uh anomalous out there consciousness

1181
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,560
stuff that we're corroborating but we're

1182
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,160
also corroborating some physical

1183
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,480
experiences as well and i think more of

1184
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,400
that's going to start unfolding as we go

1185
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,319
forward

1186
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,960
and kirsten there's a third note in that

1187
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,400
connectivity

1188
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,480
that i think is interesting to bring up

1189
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,960
which is the radio host that you further

1190
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,440
you want to share that aspect

1191
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,000
sure i was on night dreams radio with

1192
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,720
gary anderson and um

1193
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:20,000
i was talking about the angel hair

1194
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,520
experience

1195
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,920
and i hadn't even mentioned that this

1196
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,680
other member had tasted it and he said

1197
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,119
you know something like that happened to

1198
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:30,079
me too in the seattle area

1199
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,040
in the

1200
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:33,280
late 50s early 60s

1201
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,440
when he was a kid and he tasted it too

1202
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,599
wow yeah i tasted it it was tasted

1203
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,240
really bitter like what

1204
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,760
what

1205
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,800
and his father worked for boeing and um

1206
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,800
his he told his father about it later

1207
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,800
and his father said something along the

1208
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,119
lines of and i'm paraphrasing here well

1209
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,200
you know we're always testing things in

1210
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,200
the sky

1211
00:46:03,190 --> 00:45:59,440
and

1212
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,200
so i got this that's a problem

1213
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,359
right wow yeah

1214
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,960
that's incredible

1215
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,800
and and there are other

1216
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,400
resonances like that that happen too

1217
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,560
where it's not just it doesn't it's not

1218
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,000
just an emotionally resonant experience

1219
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,040
between people it's not just that of of

1220
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:20,960
recognizing

1221
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:24,400
being in a room even a virtual room a

1222
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:28,400
zoom room of say 12 to 20 people

1223
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:29,280
that

1224
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,520
before having those kinds of

1225
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,880
being able to share that kind of

1226
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:40,800
ontological shock

1227
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:43,760
experience of of recognizing that the

1228
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,480
world or consciousness or however you'd

1229
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,359
like to frame it is not exactly it

1230
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,480
doesn't exactly abide by the rules that

1231
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,400
we read about in the newspaper

1232
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,240
you know or we learned about that you

1233
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,800
expect it to yeah

1234
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,160
yeah 100

1235
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,240
but there are other cases too where in

1236
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,599
these in these

1237
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:06,240
in these situations we've we've heard

1238
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:10,079
about say like tools implements used by

1239
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:11,200
grays

1240
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,520
or mantids and and beings like that that

1241
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,319
and

1242
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:17,119
i

1243
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,800
um

1244
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,119
intensely emotional sessions where

1245
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,040
somebody recognized for the first time

1246
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:29,599
that somebody else saw the exact same

1247
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,720
thing that they experienced and and and

1248
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,200
something like this and it means a lot

1249
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,440
you know one of the reasons why stewards

1250
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,880
one of the reasons why stewart and i

1251
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:40,240
bonded so well

1252
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,440
i think

1253
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,520
um among other reasons is that stewart's

1254
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,319
a mansive experiencer as well i you know

1255
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,640
i've i've i've

1256
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,880
been privy to those folks and and so is

1257
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,200
stuart and so

1258
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:55,680
you know recently online and

1259
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:58,640
coming out with with my

1260
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,440
uh

1261
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:02,079
um story in ralph blumenthal's recent

1262
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,119
article

1263
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,440
in which stewart was also mentioned

1264
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,960
um

1265
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,480
there was some there's a little bit of

1266
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,640
black backlash from some people saying

1267
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,280
oh yeah some that's just some praying

1268
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,839
mantis and a cloak like that's that's

1269
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,839
ridiculous or what's that or something

1270
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:18,800
like that

1271
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,680
and

1272
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,520
the thing is is that like people need to

1273
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,280
do their research there are so many

1274
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,119
people in ufology that just like don't

1275
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,800
even do the basic reading there needs to

1276
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:28,559
be like 50 more

1277
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,839
levar burdens in ufology

1278
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,240
you know like there needs to be more

1279
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,040
reading rainbow happening because

1280
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:39,440
they're there man they're there

1281
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:40,240
and

1282
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,359
they exist going back decades

1283
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,920
yeah you know and and so when people

1284
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,280
talk about the insectoids the

1285
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,960
insectilins the mantis beings the

1286
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,720
mantids like

1287
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,960
even the ant beings we're generally

1288
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,359
talking probably about a lot of the same

1289
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,640
things here

1290
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,359
and so um in stuart and i

1291
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,319
talking early with and with stuart with

1292
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,400
kirsten in these in these meetup groups

1293
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:05,599
that that

1294
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,720
was a huge bonding point stewart saw an

1295
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,720
eight-foot mantis being

1296
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,440
in a purple cloak show up

1297
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,960
i think in that bedroom where you are

1298
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,119
right now if i'm not mistaken is that

1299
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,440
right down one floor

1300
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,880
down one i was going to say you must

1301
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,559
have left it on the bed

1302
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,640
yeah it's purple

1303
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:27,839
yeah but um you know and so

1304
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,319
even just things like that where getting

1305
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:32,559
in situations where somebody like stuart

1306
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,359
and i

1307
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,440
will sit and talk about what are these

1308
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,839
weird fashion decisions why do they do

1309
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,559
that

1310
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,800
what's up with the pageantry like we

1311
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,640
think it's weird purple is royalty

1312
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:44,400
something you probably thought about

1313
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,960
that you know some of these

1314
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,920
non-experiencers they're saying like oh

1315
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,760
what's that and it's

1316
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:52,319
experiencers also

1317
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:55,280
recognize the vast strangeness of of

1318
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,720
what's happening here and and and that's

1319
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,319
why conversations like what we're doing

1320
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,000
right now

1321
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,839
they need to happen more

1322
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,240
because a lot of the conversations that

1323
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:09,680
happen online about experiencers don't

1324
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,839
involve

1325
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,200
experiencers yeah

1326
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,800
and emotion

1327
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,599
and

1328
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,160
these conversations need to happen by

1329
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:20,880
people that live these situations

1330
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:24,160
because they think about it all the damn

1331
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,119
time

1332
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,720
yeah and they're going to talk about

1333
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:28,160
things differently

1334
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,040
than

1335
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:31,839
some weird game of telephone

1336
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,599
where where somebody goes and and just

1337
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,079
checks in with some author that happens

1338
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,160
to have had a few interviews with

1339
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,559
somebody or something like that it's a

1340
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,040
different lived scenario

1341
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:47,200
and it brings up different issues does

1342
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,240
that make sense

1343
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,800
yeah i had one of those um if you know

1344
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:52,880
if i'm getting your right the one of

1345
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,359
those residences listening to

1346
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,079
uh your podcast with the the author of

1347
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,760
the book we were talking about earlier

1348
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:02,640
um with owls and such

1349
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,680
um he actually was listing

1350
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,359
by the difference

1351
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,079
yes michael and yeah um he was listening

1352
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,000
to different things you know could uh

1353
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,839
owls and

1354
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,280
deer and

1355
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:17,280
i think he even said squirrels and then

1356
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,760
he said jesus and when he said jesus

1357
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:23,359
that was

1358
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:26,319
heard that

1359
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,440
before

1360
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,240
um and you know one of my experiences

1361
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,559
was that and

1362
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:34,800
that's been something that because

1363
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,079
being raised non-denominate

1364
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,200
non-denominational christian i mean i've

1365
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,599
i'm on my own path at this point but

1366
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,119
um you know

1367
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,680
i i couldn't always help but tie it to

1368
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:48,160
that or like you know just make sense of

1369
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,480
that um so i think i found at least you

1370
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,960
know a little path to start walking down

1371
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,800
a little light on it now because i've

1372
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,760
heard

1373
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,240
him say that just from him saying that

1374
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,760
um has

1375
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,640
you know

1376
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,640
made me feel better about it if that

1377
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,040
makes sense so

1378
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:09,200
you know along those lines i completely

1379
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,720
agree with you and i would love to hear

1380
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,880
from kirsten stewart about this but one

1381
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,319
of the things that

1382
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,200
that we do on the experiencer group is

1383
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,359
do we have we have a lot of different

1384
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,119
ways for people to connect with each

1385
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,119
other and one of those ways is our book

1386
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,319
group we've got a book group and um

1387
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,240
along the lines of we need more levar

1388
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,119
burdens in this in this realm

1389
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,280
and we covered diana basalka really

1390
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,760
early and of course american cosmic

1391
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,280
diana pasoka

1392
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:40,079
who's a religious studies professor um

1393
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,280
at

1394
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:43,440
university of north carolina wilmington

1395
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,800
as i recall

1396
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,640
she did a great job in an american

1397
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:48,960
cosmic of of bringing together

1398
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:51,760
and thinking really about like how these

1399
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,200
anomalous situations were documented in

1400
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,160
centuries back however they had

1401
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,680
the the the color or they had this kind

1402
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:02,960
of cast

1403
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,920
of of being in a religious experience

1404
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,880
rather than an anomalous experience and

1405
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,800
she really tried to bring that together

1406
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,160
in a way that

1407
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,480
jacques valet also alluded to in books

1408
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,960
like passports and begonia where things

1409
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,680
that we might consider myth or religion

1410
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,960
um could be

1411
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,200
viewed in a different framework and

1412
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,800
along those lines

1413
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:26,240
um

1414
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,920
one thing that i'd mentioned briefly is

1415
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,480
that stewart's initial mantis encounter

1416
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,680
if you don't mind me bringing this up

1417
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:32,640
stewart

1418
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:35,839
is after a period of time where you were

1419
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,040
basically asking to be shown

1420
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:41,440
stuart has a history within kind of

1421
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,960
vajrayana buddhism and zen and and deep

1422
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:47,280
meditational practice and part of that

1423
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,319
is

1424
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:50,400
the vajrayana side of it as i understand

1425
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,240
it anyway as a novice is is connecting

1426
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,119
um potentially with with

1427
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,280
the idea that you might you might in

1428
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:02,079
meditation meet a discarnated entity

1429
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,280
that you might

1430
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:06,240
speak or try to connect with something

1431
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:08,720
that's and so you know our modern

1432
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,200
framework

1433
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:13,599
has there's there's a dis there's

1434
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,480
there's

1435
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,079
a connection that could be made there

1436
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,400
right because within mainstream ufology

1437
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,559
we can finally say well maybe there is

1438
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,559
something to remote viewing right

1439
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,680
because russell targ did it and hal

1440
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,000
did it and ingo swan did it and all

1441
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,240
these other people but how long has it

1442
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,599
been suppressed

1443
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,920
so long exactly and if we can remote

1444
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,160
view can other beings remote view and

1445
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,799
what happens when we both

1446
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,359
explore that right and it seems like

1447
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,000
that that maybe just maybe there are

1448
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,559
there are these lineages that

1449
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,559
explored this differently but had a lot

1450
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:50,079
of overlap

1451
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,520
and so

1452
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,440
you know for i think

1453
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:55,280
i don't want to tell stewart's story for

1454
00:55:03,430 --> 00:54:59,920
him but he he was meditating for a

1455
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:03,440
somebody to show up and they did

1456
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,240
um

1457
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,440
and and he thought that it was going to

1458
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,559
maybe look like uh maybe a i don't know

1459
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:12,240
a greek scholar

1460
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,040
a

1461
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,480
some some

1462
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:16,079
some levitating

1463
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:17,119
uh

1464
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,079
um

1465
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,240
you know tibetan or something like that

1466
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:22,240
and it turned out to be

1467
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:26,160
uh a very very large mantis and a in a

1468
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:27,520
purple cloak

1469
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,319
right

1470
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,079
how do you react to something like that

1471
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,359
when it's completely off of what you

1472
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:34,480
expect

1473
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:37,280
and maybe not so much in a pleasant way

1474
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,319
like i could

1475
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,880
you know not having experienced that i

1476
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,799
put myself in that place and i would

1477
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,480
assume that i would be

1478
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:45,520
scared

1479
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:46,839
you know

1480
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,000
um i have nightmares all the time

1481
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,640
and so i could see that popping me off

1482
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:54,000
big time

1483
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,680
you know so how do you keep your calm in

1484
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:57,119
that scenario

1485
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,240
and

1486
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:59,920
you know just experience it for what it

1487
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:01,760
is i guess and that and not what you're

1488
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,990
well thankfully perhaps

1489
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,309
rapidity with which the experience

1490
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,880
unfolded didn't allow for any kind of

1491
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,040
reflection at all

1492
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,280
uh jay's right i was meditating trying

1493
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,960
to

1494
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,960
evoke this was

1495
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,640
to

1496
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,559
bring in another fold of why these

1497
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,520
stories are so multi-dimensionally

1498
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:31,520
challenging and

1499
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:34,640
vaccine embarrassing hilarious so this

1500
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:38,079
also happened to have been at midnight

1501
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:41,920
on new year's eve in 2010

1502
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,559
i was meditating because of that

1503
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,400
and i thought it would be a great way to

1504
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,640
bring in the new year i'll meditate

1505
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,440
and call in my guides and i would like

1506
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,839
to see my guides i want to meet my guys

1507
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,040
in a more

1508
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,599
and i fully anticipated

1509
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,359
a dead monk

1510
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,520
perhaps from one of the lineages that i

1511
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,200
work with or some

1512
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,319
dikini maybe or a bodhisattva

1513
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,799
and instead was this

1514
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:10,000
eight foot

1515
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,960
tall

1516
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:13,520
mantis entity and a purple

1517
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,480
indigo cloak with a high collar

1518
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:17,440
and

1519
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,319
you know

1520
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,720
the entire experience lasted probably a

1521
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,799
minute but as soon as it

1522
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:25,440
manifest at the end of my bed it shot me

1523
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,799
full of

1524
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:28,079
a

1525
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,440
highly kinetic

1526
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,680
physical quality to it it affected my

1527
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,160
body very strongly it was

1528
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,960
crazy intense totally unbidden and out

1529
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:03,520
of nowhere which is probably

1530
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,400
why

1531
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,480
like i said in part i had no response to

1532
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,160
it there wasn't any response or any time

1533
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:10,480
for that i was just completely

1534
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:13,359
immersed in a somatic

1535
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,640
experience it wasn't painful but it was

1536
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,520
so intense that the acute

1537
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,359
quality of it i don't think i could have

1538
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:23,119
handled for very long at all kirsten has

1539
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,319
a very interesting thought about the

1540
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:25,760
robe

1541
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,880
in part as a filter or an obstruction to

1542
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,799
protect me from the presence of this

1543
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,359
entity which in retrospect i think is

1544
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:37,200
possibly the best

1545
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,880
as good as any explanation i've ever

1546
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,960
heard about why it would adorn itself in

1547
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,240
this way

1548
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:44,319
so the experience yeah i got shot full

1549
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:45,520
of this

1550
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,040
signal or like a thousand signals it

1551
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,079
felt like a library was deposited into

1552
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:54,880
my body none of it was verbal

1553
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,079
until that shut off instantaneously

1554
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,680
and then it just like deposited it felt

1555
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,160
as though this thing reached over and

1556
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,200
just plopped deposited into my head

1557
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,280
one phrase in english

1558
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:12,000
which was remember who you work for

1559
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:13,040
and

1560
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,559
that was it

1561
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,720
so how do you respond to that i took me

1562
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,880
eight years like i said i i

1563
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,440
ate up the better part of the decade

1564
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:23,440
pacing the planet

1565
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,480
wondering in every conceivable iteration

1566
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,359
what what's with the little phrases

1567
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:31,359
i was told that just relax and go back

1568
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,750
i would love to hear your story sean i

1569
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,960
mean i don't know how many times you've

1570
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,559
recounted it on the show or where it's

1571
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,920
at but i don't know

1572
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,200
that story

1573
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,640
it's a couple

1574
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,880
uh but i don't want to take up my show

1575
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,799
with my story i want this to be by you

1576
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:48,720
guys and have you shared it on this show

1577
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,839
though

1578
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:52,000
uh yeah there was there's one show i

1579
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:53,680
kind of read through it all that one was

1580
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:56,960
basically a dream um i was younger

1581
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:02,079
um i went into a like um

1582
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,680
i don't know what kind of school it was

1583
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,839
but when i walked in it was a library

1584
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,000
with your typical rounded desk and there

1585
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,200
was a person at it um and they had a

1586
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:13,200
it was uh like a middle eastern person

1587
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,480
who had a

1588
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,760
um

1589
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,079
i'm just blanking on what you call that

1590
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:20,720
um but anyways like a turban or a head

1591
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:24,319
yes a german sorry just um spaced out

1592
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:25,200
um

1593
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,240
and he handed me a like a scroll and i

1594
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:31,040
was opening it up and on there i could

1595
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,720
and as i was opening i was walking out

1596
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,559
the door and i was opening it and it

1597
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:36,240
said seven something on it i don't

1598
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,839
remember what it was

1599
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:40,160
uh and when i get outside it's windy the

1600
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:44,000
wind takes it and it takes off it's gone

1601
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,440
um

1602
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,040
and i'm going like towards the

1603
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,079
basketball hoop area concrete

1604
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,240
basketball hoop outdoors

1605
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:55,359
and i see two tornadoes coming at me

1606
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,160
and i remember i had the option to

1607
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,880
um run or

1608
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,119
like try to just take it on

1609
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,960
in my life i'm always the take it on

1610
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:06,319
kind of person

1611
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,599
um

1612
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:08,880
and that's what i did i was like i'm

1613
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:11,440
gonna let them come at me and i'm gonna

1614
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,559
do this

1615
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:15,359
and they come at me and i grab each one

1616
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,880
and i like flip them on each side of me

1617
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:20,799
and all of a sudden there's dust

1618
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,480
swirling around i can't see anything um

1619
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,960
and i start floating like off the ground

1620
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:28,880
in a standing position

1621
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,760
um and i remember i flew a lot my dreams

1622
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,079
and i knew how to like activate that

1623
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,319
like with my feet there i mean i even

1624
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,160
remember trying it in real life like

1625
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:40,400
nope that doesn't work but like i could

1626
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,559
remember the feeling your feet make

1627
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:45,280
um but this that it wasn't it i wasn't

1628
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,440
doing that i was lifting off like on my

1629
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,000
own and i remember that specifically

1630
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:52,720
um so as i'm lifting up

1631
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:56,720
these uh white wispy beings are

1632
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:00,079
just zipping around me like

1633
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:02,480
um and i heard the most beautiful music

1634
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:04,079
i've ever heard in my life i can't

1635
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:05,359
describe it

1636
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,720
um

1637
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:07,599
at all

1638
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,000
i just especially now it was kind of far

1639
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,079
away but i remember it was just

1640
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,559
absolutely beautiful and

1641
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,799
i was not hating what was going on i was

1642
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,400
just like

1643
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:20,799
this is pretty nice i like this

1644
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,680
um and then i see

1645
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:25,359
uh like what a

1646
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:26,960
stained glass

1647
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,200
window version would be of jesus

1648
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,960
christ's face

1649
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,480
um

1650
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,960
and as it's getting closer to me and as

1651
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:36,880
it gets close to me right in front of my

1652
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:38,000
face

1653
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,559
and it says sean just relax and go back

1654
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:46,400
to school

1655
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,829
wow

1656
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:55,359
i don't know

1657
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,400
uh yeah so and it took me a while but i

1658
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:00,880
think basically the gist of it was

1659
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,000
um go learn some [\h__\h] go live life you

1660
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,920
know grow

1661
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,520
and do that because at the time i was

1662
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,839
worrying about a lot of things that i

1663
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:11,920
didn't really necessarily need to be you

1664
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:13,039
know

1665
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,400
so

1666
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,640
and i think what what you're what you're

1667
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,640
also alluding to there is is something

1668
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:20,079
that's really important that a lot of

1669
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:21,520
experiencers

1670
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,240
uh recognize and it comes up a lot on

1671
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:26,319
the experiencer group is that

1672
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:27,200
that

1673
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:30,720
a lot of these situations are exist a

1674
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:33,680
lot of these encounters

1675
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,039
exist in

1676
01:03:39,549 --> 01:03:37,280
these kind of subtle realms and these

1677
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,559
contact experiences happen in

1678
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,680
non-ordinary states

1679
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,280
so

1680
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,359
there's strange data points like a lot

1681
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:47,520
of experiencers start meditating at a

1682
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,670
assuming different religions that were

1683
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:55,839
involved with that you know middle

1684
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,960
eastern jesus christ now i'm like all of

1685
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:00,559
a sudden i'm thinking like maybe there

1686
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,200
is something there as far as it's all

1687
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,559
one thing

1688
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,880
you know dude you know

1689
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:09,599
it's not believe this or believe that

1690
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:12,160
you know it's i don't know so now things

1691
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:13,520
are just coming to my head as i talk

1692
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:14,720
about it but

1693
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:17,359
yeah but for for me myself like i

1694
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,680
started meditating just to calm the calm

1695
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:22,000
the f down you know like just so that i

1696
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:23,359
could kind of

1697
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:24,799
level out

1698
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:28,400
uh some years ago in terms of

1699
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:31,440
straddling these realms between

1700
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:34,319
these these these encounters and what

1701
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:37,520
we're told is is is actually happening

1702
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,640
and that happens a lot and there are

1703
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:42,960
routes like that like what stewart was

1704
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,799
talking about and

1705
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:46,079
where

1706
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:49,359
sometimes

1707
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,200
these

1708
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:53,280
sometimes

1709
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:55,760
entities might reach out to you in ways

1710
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:58,640
that are not so obvious

1711
01:05:02,710 --> 01:04:59,680
right

1712
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,720
and and if somebody that is coming from

1713
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,640
a relatively nuts and bolts perspective

1714
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,280
i would point them towards

1715
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,200
maybe remote viewing and things like

1716
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,920
that and the idea of consciousness in

1717
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:13,599
that kind of realm

1718
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,200
and thinking about

1719
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,000
that remote that remote viewing might be

1720
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,079
able to be

1721
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,280
amplified or accessed by more than one

1722
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:25,280
group of people like we might not have

1723
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:27,680
like a total walk on remote viewing

1724
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:30,400
right sure or moving around

1725
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:31,920
without our body

1726
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,559
um and so maybe that opens things up and

1727
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,000
maybe that sounds strange but that's

1728
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:38,079
okay the thing is is that like

1729
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:41,200
we need to have these conversations

1730
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,079
because so many people within this

1731
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:46,799
community are so based around

1732
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,599
just thinking about craft

1733
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,680
yeah and they can only talk about

1734
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,839
something the navy videos five miles up

1735
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:54,960
in the

1736
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,440
frickin sky they can only talk about

1737
01:06:02,870 --> 01:05:59,440
something if they saw it through a

1738
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:02,880
telescope and it didn't actually

1739
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,000
touch them it didn't touch their

1740
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,760
mind it didn't touch their heart it

1741
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,520
didn't touch their soul however you want

1742
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,680
to put it you know what i mean like

1743
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,079
there there's a level there

1744
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:16,319
that we need to get over

1745
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,760
and and and it involves vulnerability

1746
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,839
there's an aspect of vulnerability that

1747
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,440
needs to happen here

1748
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,599
and it's not going to get solved by

1749
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:27,200
telescopes

1750
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,400
and it might not even get solved by by

1751
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,640
government documents like they're like

1752
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,720
that happens too and that needs to

1753
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:36,319
happen as well

1754
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:37,119
and

1755
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:39,119
there's reasons to have all of this

1756
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,640
involved together

1757
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:42,640
you know sometimes like uh with my

1758
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:45,760
documents i feel like i'm uh trying to

1759
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,200
um

1760
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:49,359
that's almost like

1761
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,920
my meditation and way of

1762
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,280
just

1763
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:55,599
almost a distraction from

1764
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:56,480
from

1765
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,000
you know maybe

1766
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,799
looking inward more uh which i used to

1767
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,480
do a lot but since

1768
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,119
uh that experience it's kind of almost

1769
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:07,200
um shook me so much i'm afraid to go

1770
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:09,920
back if that makes sense

1771
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:13,119
it's um very very deeply understandable

1772
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,400
yeah so but

1773
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,079
but it is also key to remember to be

1774
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:18,559
fair like to each their own right as

1775
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:21,599
long as you respect each other right if

1776
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,559
you want to sit and look in your

1777
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:25,039
telescope all day looking for ufos good

1778
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:28,559
on you just 100 don't be mean to me

1779
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,119
for what i'm doing you know yeah a

1780
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:33,920
hundred percent and one thing that that

1781
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,599
it would be cool to bring up is that you

1782
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:37,839
know there are other even within our

1783
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,799
within the experiencer group there are

1784
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,640
smaller groups

1785
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:44,640
that that help these conversations

1786
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:47,520
happen because even in these situations

1787
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:48,799
it's helpful

1788
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,079
to

1789
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,559
kind of have that diner table where

1790
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,839
where where

1791
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:56,400
you know everybody in the room

1792
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:57,760
things like that

1793
01:08:02,789 --> 01:08:00,079
and um for example

1794
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,799
kirsten has has runs a group while she

1795
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,480
co-hosts a group

1796
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,680
that's

1797
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,440
uh just for women

1798
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:09,280
um kristen

1799
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:12,079
if you don't mind sean i i no of course

1800
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:15,039
is it all right i spoke for sean

1801
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:15,920
yeah

1802
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:19,199
wait let me think okay

1803
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:21,040
yeah um we you know we saw the need

1804
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:25,520
pretty pretty early um that there are

1805
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,880
there are situations for women uh men

1806
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:30,880
too this is not to exclude men in any

1807
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,679
way but for women to

1808
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,759
where they can't talk about certain

1809
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:37,199
things

1810
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:40,799
in a open mixed meeting so

1811
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:42,880
and a lot of those subjects may have to

1812
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:45,520
do with um you know

1813
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:46,400
um

1814
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:47,120
so

1815
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:52,880
you know um

1816
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:57,040
reproductive systems uh physical um

1817
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:58,880
you know things left over physically

1818
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:01,520
from anomalous experiences

1819
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:02,640
um

1820
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,440
and it's not just to do with

1821
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:07,920
abduction or contactees it's also to do

1822
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,960
with people uh women who have perhaps

1823
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:12,560
had a

1824
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,400
strange uncomfortable and um

1825
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:17,920
embarrassing

1826
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:20,719
experience with a spirit

1827
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:21,600
um

1828
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:23,359
so you probably don't want to make

1829
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:25,120
yourself vulnerable in front of men

1830
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,839
right no well and it's it's interesting

1831
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,799
because

1832
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,239
you know the culture of the experiencer

1833
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,080
group of course is be kind

1834
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:34,640
you know that's that's so so there's a

1835
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:38,239
there's an abundance of supportive um

1836
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,880
energy in any uh meeting but it still

1837
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:44,560
doesn't

1838
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:48,159
replace just the company of women and we

1839
01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:49,920
um really

1840
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,270
um

1841
01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:52,719
[Music]

1842
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:55,270
it's amazing what these women um

1843
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,480
[Music]

1844
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:58,719
you know art feel free to talk about and

1845
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,040
how they support each other and

1846
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,440
um and the inspiration that comes out of

1847
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,440
that and i and i'm co-hosting it with

1848
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:07,600
one of our members who's actually been

1849
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:10,560
practicing psychology for you know 35

1850
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,080
years and she's um amazing and

1851
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,480
uh so it's it's a great

1852
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,719
and and this is i think just one of many

1853
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:20,239
groups like this that that are going to

1854
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:23,120
happen with within the experiencer group

1855
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,760
and yes does jay just wrote to me yes

1856
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:28,080
our motto in our opening statement for

1857
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,440
every meeting we have an opening

1858
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,280
statement that basically says

1859
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,600
you know keep things anonymous

1860
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,320
respect everybody keep politics out of

1861
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:37,920
the meeting today please thank you very

1862
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:38,719
much

1863
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,520
um

1864
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:41,600
politics inflame people so we don't need

1865
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:42,400
that

1866
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,199
um but at the end we say uh stay kind

1867
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,239
and stay curious um which which kind of

1868
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,159
sets the tone

1869
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,640
stay kind and stay curious yeah that's

1870
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,920
uh

1871
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,280
that's perfect

1872
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,600
it's very perfect um

1873
01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:59,520
i couldn't say anything

1874
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:02,159
better than that myself because

1875
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,760
you know i think

1876
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:06,480
when you really look at this uh topic

1877
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,960
if you go to just the ufo side of it or

1878
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,480
whatever

1879
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:13,600
people who haven't had experiences or

1880
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:16,159
how i was before i had an experience the

1881
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,760
whole thing seems bizarre and it's hard

1882
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,880
to believe

1883
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:21,840
you know

1884
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:24,719
so what makes my experience

1885
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,960
so much harder to believe

1886
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,560
than what you're already trying to

1887
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:30,640
believe

1888
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:32,000
and so why are you being mean to me

1889
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,360
about it

1890
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:35,280
you know because it's not the idea of

1891
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,040
what you want to believe like that

1892
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:39,520
that's not fair stay kind

1893
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:42,400
stay curious i like it

1894
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:43,840
and there's

1895
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,000
able to talk out

1896
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,239
um your personal testimony being able to

1897
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,120
kind of release this kind of energy

1898
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,520
so it's not just zoomer it's not just

1899
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,760
zoom groups we have a custom built

1900
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:59,360
social interface

1901
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:00,960
um

1902
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,760
and

1903
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:03,679
there's a few different modes with which

1904
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:05,280
people can reach each other we have a

1905
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:08,159
private discord we have our own custom

1906
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,440
built site

1907
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:11,840
and and so people can kind of go off

1908
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,120
into their corners in a way and and dm

1909
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:17,199
each other compare notes

1910
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:21,280
find resonances and so at this point

1911
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,560
since we started at the beginning of

1912
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:24,159
february there's

1913
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,800
all these cool points where

1914
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,520
where i'll be talking to somebody and it

1915
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:31,760
turns out that there's this whole other

1916
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:32,560
this

1917
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:36,159
between some of the members that we

1918
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,480
weren't even privy to because they just

1919
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:40,000
bonded so much

1920
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,840
and because of their experience or

1921
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,600
because because of their resonance with

1922
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,960
each other and

1923
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:47,760
and seeing stuff like that happen is is

1924
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:49,600
really really crucial

1925
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:50,640
and

1926
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,239
even just

1927
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:54,560
being able to kind of lay it out

1928
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:56,960
being able to talk it out

1929
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,080
and and and spill it out without without

1930
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:02,719
being judged is critically important i

1931
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:05,679
think one of the reasons why even the

1932
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,159
we created the experiencer group and why

1933
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:10,080
stuart is such a crucial component of

1934
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:11,679
that is because

1935
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:14,719
we were all inspired by aliens and

1936
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,400
artists his podcast and and and aliens

1937
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,159
and artists which i've known about

1938
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:21,840
before i even knew that you guys were

1939
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,600
affiliated with it which is amazing

1940
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,120
but i'm like all right stuart i got to

1941
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,120
look at this guy yep

1942
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:31,600
you got to be kidding me

1943
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:32,880
it's just so

1944
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:36,400
dang well done i mean like i i went on

1945
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:37,120
it

1946
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,440
september of last year

1947
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,440
and those episodes came out in january

1948
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,080
kirsten was just on it this last month

1949
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,960
um and but there's

1950
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:50,640
such a rich

1951
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:54,400
body of work there um to look at and

1952
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:55,440
you know

1953
01:14:03,830 --> 01:13:59,120
before coming out to the public

1954
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,840
two weeks ago for myself yeah um and

1955
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,000
being able to

1956
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,239
walk around i go on long walks pretty

1957
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,560
much every day and i would listen

1958
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:12,159
there's a whole stretch of months and

1959
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:13,840
this still happens when he's got a new

1960
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,679
episode out i i walk around and i listen

1961
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:19,440
to these accounts of these other

1962
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,880
experiencers

1963
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,800
and there are a couple other podcasts

1964
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:25,120
like that but there's

1965
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,080
there's

1966
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:27,840
something about hearing the intimacy of

1967
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,239
that that was really inspirational and i

1968
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,239
think that it really shifted the tenor

1969
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:34,239
from for me of

1970
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:35,520
of what

1971
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,800
what could be done in this kind of space

1972
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:39,760
and

1973
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,800
how it could be taken

1974
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,360
where it could be taken because so much

1975
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,679
of ufology is built around these rules

1976
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,320
and these parameters that we learned

1977
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,640
from people like jl and heineck we

1978
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,640
learned from people who are already

1979
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:57,199
compromised right that that we were

1980
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,960
supposed to look at the pentagon we were

1981
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,440
supposed to ask the pentagon for answers

1982
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,280
right that we were supposed to

1983
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:05,600
automatically think about swamp gas

1984
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,480
things like that we weren't supposed to

1985
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:10,560
look at mythology we weren't supposed to

1986
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,400
look at the history of spirituality and

1987
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:14,239
religion we weren't supposed to look at

1988
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:18,400
where else these records could exist

1989
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:20,239
in in history

1990
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,600
yeah and

1991
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,800
and

1992
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,199
that kind of that kind of rooting still

1993
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,239
happens now where there's cons there's

1994
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,320
constantly i mean if you exist within

1995
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,560
ufology you're you're in this framework

1996
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,640
where people are constantly trying to

1997
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,520
like it's like a laser pointer

1998
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,679
yeah it's like a laser pointer and a cat

1999
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,920
they're lit it's like it's like go over

2000
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:43,440
here go over here it's where the

2001
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:45,280
pentagon is like go over there go to

2002
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,440
langley or whatever yeah and if you

2003
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,360
don't the pentagon folks won't want to

2004
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:51,360
talk to you

2005
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,400
that's right

2006
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,880
but that's part of the decentralization

2007
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:57,280
of these cases because like you have a

2008
01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:00,159
history sean and it's and that in the

2009
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:01,120
end

2010
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:02,880
that kind of that

2011
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:05,280
that kind of situation is more resonant

2012
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,960
it's going to be more resonant it's

2013
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,360
going to be more important to you than

2014
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,080
anything that you ever read from dc

2015
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:14,080
and the same is true for me and the same

2016
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,679
is true for stuart and the same is true

2017
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,600
for kirsten and anybody else that's had

2018
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,520
these kinds of experiences

2019
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,360
and so there's a different way that we

2020
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:23,040
can have these conversations and that we

2021
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,080
can hear

2022
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:26,159
this kind of dialogue

2023
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:26,880
and

2024
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,480
of having all of those people involved

2025
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,159
in the conversation

2026
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:37,760
it can also

2027
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:39,040
it can

2028
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,480
varied

2029
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,040
the this experience can be

2030
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:48,960
our lived experience

2031
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:51,280
not just anomalous experience right

2032
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:53,440
but we can look at this the width of

2033
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:54,239
that

2034
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:57,520
and and it can give us a wider framework

2035
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,320
and

2036
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,960
maybe it can help us be more empathetic

2037
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:02,960
to other people i don't know but i i

2038
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:06,239
would hope so and in the meantime

2039
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,360
um

2040
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,679
i know that i feel this way and kirsten

2041
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,120
and stuart do as well that the

2042
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,960
experiencer group is absolutely

2043
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:14,159
necessary

2044
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:15,840
for us in terms of this kind of

2045
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:17,840
framework because

2046
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:19,040
people

2047
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,640
like you

2048
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,239
people like us

2049
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:23,520
people that have had anonymous

2050
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:25,120
experiences

2051
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,480
maybe they can share it with people

2052
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:29,120
around them maybe they can't maybe those

2053
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:30,400
they don't feel like they really

2054
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:32,800
connected maybe they tried to tell their

2055
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,640
mom or their sister or their wife or

2056
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,880
their husband about this stuff and it

2057
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,560
didn't quite land

2058
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,080
it didn't resonate

2059
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:43,280
you know oh or or you saw or you saw

2060
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:46,800
them kind of get it but not really and

2061
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:49,120
you know and that can be a really

2062
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,960
it sounds like that could be

2063
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:52,719
you maybe you found that to be the case

2064
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:53,920
but it can be a really difficult

2065
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,880
situation

2066
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:57,199
yeah especially when it is so emotional

2067
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,320
and it's even hard to get it out without

2068
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,719
getting a little tear in your eye and

2069
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:04,239
you get someone looking right through

2070
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:05,040
you

2071
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:08,560
that's that's tough it's definitely

2072
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:11,920
tough and it makes you feel alone

2073
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,880
so

2074
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:14,080
you know

2075
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,040
just this episode

2076
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,760
talking to you guys um

2077
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:21,760
you know you can feel how good that

2078
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:24,320
feels or i can feel

2079
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,320
how good that feels and warming and

2080
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:27,840
positive and

2081
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:30,080
uh reassuring and calming

2082
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:31,040
so

2083
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,239
yeah

2084
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,080
i totally get it

2085
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,760
i'm with you so

2086
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:38,000
that's so great i'm so glad you hear

2087
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,040
that sean and yeah and it's great to be

2088
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,360
here with you and it

2089
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:45,920
it was one of the reasons why we we knew

2090
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:48,080
that you're an experiencer and it

2091
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,280
was an extra level of trust involved in

2092
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:52,960
us coming here to have this conversation

2093
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,920
today so it's it's great to be here with

2094
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:57,040
you

2095
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:01,760
did that and came here so

2096
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,480
i feel super honored and uh very lucky

2097
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:08,159
um

2098
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:10,000
yeah and i feel connected to you already

2099
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:11,600
so that's great

2100
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:13,440
um i would say

2101
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:14,880
stuart you've been quiet for a little

2102
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,239
while

2103
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:18,719
you got anything before

2104
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:26,310
sean i just want to extend an open

2105
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:28,400
invitation to have you come on

2106
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:30,800
aliens and artists and

2107
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:31,679
share

2108
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,199
your experiences at your own pace

2109
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:37,440
yeah in your own color and terms it

2110
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:38,400
would be

2111
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,760
really wonderful and we would love to

2112
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:42,480
have you so please anytime starting now

2113
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:45,600
forward i'll ping you afterwards

2114
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,400
when we hop off and i just i appreciate

2115
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:50,400
what everyone shared today

2116
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,520
and

2117
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:53,600
really appreciate being invited here i

2118
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:54,960
think there's so much

2119
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:56,719
important

2120
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,480
in jay's reflections on the multifaceted

2121
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:02,719
nature of this and how

2122
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:05,360
we really don't have to succumb

2123
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,360
to the superficial

2124
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:10,239
notion that this is going to collapse to

2125
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:12,159
one particular

2126
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:17,840
need nuts and bolts we need rationality

2127
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:21,040
we need the assessment and analyzation

2128
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,120
of the physical properties of this

2129
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,600
everything from radar data that's why we

2130
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:27,520
love the leslie keynes that's why we

2131
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,000
love all of these brilliant

2132
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,360
scientists my personal advocacy is that

2133
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:35,280
we also need

2134
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:38,080
the spiritual the emotional

2135
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:39,840
the metaphysical

2136
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:42,800
every human being born is endowed with a

2137
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,560
suite of capacities that include

2138
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:49,120
an interiority that's just as big on the

2139
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,159
inside

2140
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:52,080
one of the things that i felt as an

2141
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,560
experiencer is that the universe is just

2142
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:56,880
as big on the inside and there are

2143
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,159
technologies there are very old lineages

2144
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,080
that specialize

2145
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:04,800
and plumb the depths of the interiors

2146
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,520
and

2147
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:07,520
in my view like it or not

2148
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:10,639
the phenomenon has an inner life and we

2149
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:13,600
will never enter into a more meaningful

2150
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,639
relationship with it by excluding its

2151
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,120
inner life it is meeting us and our

2152
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,280
inner life i i think you're it is

2153
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,520
account that you shared sean is a great

2154
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,679
indicator of that and

2155
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,840
so i love that that got brought up here

2156
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:30,239
today and that's certainly a big part of

2157
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,320
where the love come from comes from in

2158
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:34,400
our community and our support groups is

2159
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,679
that

2160
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:38,159
without having to codify

2161
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:39,600
and define

2162
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:41,760
the mysterious enigmatic parts of our

2163
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,480
inner experiences they're welcomed and

2164
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,800
supported in our community and that's

2165
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,480
not a problem it's not a problem for

2166
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,840
anyone that's not going to take away

2167
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:51,360
from the nuts and bolts

2168
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:53,520
gig that's going on

2169
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,679
we we need everybody we need all the

2170
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:58,480
methods all the tools it's going to take

2171
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,600
the

2172
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,840
comprehensive intelligence

2173
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:03,440
of our humanity

2174
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,920
to get more meaningful with this so

2175
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:07,760
that's my last parting thought and i

2176
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:09,840
just want to express my appreciation to

2177
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:12,080
you for having us on thank you

2178
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,520
it's completely my

2179
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:15,280
my pleasure you know when you paint a

2180
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,960
picture you don't just use one color

2181
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:18,960
when you write a song you don't just use

2182
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,239
one note

2183
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:22,800
um and when you're dealing with this i

2184
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:25,040
don't think yeah you use just one type

2185
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:27,679
of person or one type of experience

2186
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:31,600
um so i yeah you nailed it um so i guess

2187
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,480
i'll

2188
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:34,239
uh end on

2189
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,600
saying

2190
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,679
that i can already say that i love you

2191
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,199
guys

2192
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,760
and i appreciate you coming on this show

2193
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:43,920
and doing this it means a lot to me

2194
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:46,400
um i can i cannot wait

2195
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,520
to uh

2196
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,000
to do aliens and artists that is going

2197
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,639
to be a thrill and treat for me

2198
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:54,960
um so thank you for asking me

2199
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:57,199
um and before we

2200
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,320
knock it off um i'll give a word to jay

2201
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,560
or kirsten uh for whatever you want to

2202
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,880
whatever you want to say

2203
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:06,880
kirsten why don't you why don't you have

2204
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:10,000
uh the last the last word on this one

2205
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,080
sure sure i'm just going to do on first

2206
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,480
of all i'm going to thank you sean so

2207
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:16,320
sincerely for having us on it's just so

2208
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,639
lovely to spend this time with you and

2209
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,880
um and i really look forward to your

2210
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,639
aliens and artists episode because i

2211
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:24,960
have to tell you it is a hoot it is a

2212
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,280
hoot yeah i'm excited already

2213
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:29,040
goosebumps so yes

2214
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:30,000
um

2215
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:31,840
i want to do a shameless plug though for

2216
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,920
the experiencer group and just say that

2217
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:35,440
it's a great place to be there are so

2218
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,480
many great groups online and

2219
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,400
for experiencers and they are all

2220
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,880
wonderful and they're all different

2221
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:44,639
one of the really great things about

2222
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:48,639
ours though is that we bring in

2223
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:52,159
luminaries such as leslie kane such as

2224
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:54,400
michael ellen such as

2225
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:57,040
jeffrey kreipel such as richard dolan

2226
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:58,560
such as

2227
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:01,199
kathleen martin yvonne smith we're going

2228
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:04,320
to have gordon white coming up soon

2229
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,360
um and this is a chance for our members

2230
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,560
to be on zoom with these folks these

2231
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:12,480
deep thinkers these

2232
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:16,800
you know ogs of the anomalous uh world

2233
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,239
and ask them questions themselves which

2234
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:21,840
this is a double

2235
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:23,040
um

2236
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,840
it's a double coin here it's a double

2237
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:27,520
edged sword i guess you'd say in a good

2238
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:28,719
way because

2239
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:30,560
it exposes

2240
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,040
information to our experiencer to to the

2241
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:35,840
experiencers they're not ours they come

2242
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,280
and go as they please

2243
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:39,040
um and

2244
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,920
yeah

2245
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:41,520
and also

2246
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:45,120
it it exposes experiencers to these

2247
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:49,360
luminaries which really is important um

2248
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,400
and

2249
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,040
we love them for coming on so that's

2250
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,280
that's one of the great things uh among

2251
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:57,760
many things that we have to offer but

2252
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,239
once again thank you so much and um

2253
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,159
it's great to be here

2254
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,560
yeah jay

2255
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:06,480
thank you so much sean it's wonderful to

2256
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:09,280
be here uh it was it was great to

2257
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:11,920
to be on with you the other day the very

2258
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:15,040
uh within hours of coming out in public

2259
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:18,800
as an abductee and experiencer and and

2260
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:21,440
uh so we'll we'll always have that

2261
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:22,560
um but

2262
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:24,639
uh you know and

2263
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:26,719
um if you want me to send the flowers

2264
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:29,120
that i bought for you today um i don't

2265
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,639
know if they're going to make it

2266
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:32,320
but um

2267
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:35,120
i i i appreciate your

2268
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:36,960
i'll smell some out here and

2269
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:38,960
caring and

2270
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,639
i've i feel like i've been blushing this

2271
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:42,480
whole time and

2272
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:43,600
i'll take it

2273
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,199
um yeah yeah it's been a wonderful

2274
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:46,960
conversation

2275
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:49,040
you said earlier you're not decorate

2276
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:50,719
you're not decorated

2277
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:53,040
however you are decorative

2278
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,480
i do yes

2279
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,880
there's a lot yeah

2280
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:58,480
i mean he's got the string lights up

2281
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:59,440
there

2282
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:00,800
exactly

2283
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,040
one of the most decorative authorities

2284
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:06,000
in the anomalous realms

2285
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:09,280
don't worry you know yeah took me so

2286
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:10,080
much

2287
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:11,679
get to this

2288
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:14,480
it's all flare flare 100 flare not

2289
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:17,360
flares but flare it's important yeah

2290
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:19,840
but um uh anyway so thank you sean for

2291
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,639
having us today and uh these are

2292
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,080
conversations that are starting they're

2293
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:27,440
not ending with this this realm what

2294
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,159
we're talking about today will continue

2295
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:32,639
to have resonance for years to come so

2296
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,440
uh

2297
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:35,760
i i appreciate you having us on to start

2298
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:37,840
this conversation and we can continue in

2299
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:38,800
the future

2300
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,560
yeah i can't wait

2301
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,960
um yeah and with that being said thank

2302
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:44,560
you everybody in the chat for hanging

2303
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,600
out and being as cool as you are and

2304
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:49,280
being with us this whole time i really

2305
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,760
do appreciate that and i will see you